MindBender wrote:A reader/writer shouldn't be very hard to find, though the chip may not be resettable at all if one of the two featured non-resettable down counters is used.
Pelvis Popcan wrote:If the chip features a non resettable counter, you can bet your life PetNovations is using it.
2cats2dogs wrote:There is a disable state... counter = 0, now disable it...... PetNovations quote "got cha"
MindBender wrote:The new chip is the SRIX4k by STMicroelectronics, as indicated by it's print. it's using the ISO 14443-2 Type B protocol and below is a URL to it's data sheet for the engineers among us :
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/8887/srix4k.pdf
A reader/writer shouldn't be very hard to find, though the chip may not be resettable at all if one of the two featured non-resettable down counters is used.
locomanjim wrote:Now that's uncrackable with out breaking the law! Because they can in bed there own micro code to read and wright and set the device that would be against the law to reset the microchip without steeling there software or know there checksum codes to hack the device!
locomanjim wrote:But yet I still see two sellers of reset devices on the internet. I also agree put reset devices in Petco or petsmart and give us a lower cost to refill the cartridges.
locomanjim wrote: Make CG greener a little cheaper to refill and reset is all we ask. Some thought that is what they were getting, according to you web site. no were does CG state you will be tossing out there plastic cartridges that fill the landfills. according to the recyclers if you cant rinse it don't recycle it because they don't know what ingredient were in it.
And it isn't: The reader is a STMicro CRX14p (http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/11922.htm) based stand-alone RF-ID reader/writer, connected to the main controller through I2C. So it could be replaced by a small microcontroller mimicking a CRX14p talking to a full cartridge. I would be even better to put a microcontroller in between the main controller and the actual reader. This way it can play along by simulating the cartridge's down counter, leaving the warning mechanism for an empty cartridge in place. But upon reinsertion of the cartridge, the simulated counter would simply reset.MindBender wrote:If the RFID reader isn't too highly integrated into the CG controller, it could be replaced by a microcontroller mimicking the RFID reader reporting to detect a full chip. (or mimicking the counting down, but resetting the count if the cartridge is re-inserted)
This is still feasible as well: The main controller has a MicroChip PIC16F877A (http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en010242)on board and the programming pins are on a nicely labeled connector. But developing alternative firmware for this incredible machine is a lot of work. Especially it you want to make it work as well as the original firmware. The developers must have thought that if you go through that much trouble you deserve to have your CG run without chipMindBender wrote:Finally an alternative controller or alternative firmware could be a solution here. Unfortunately that's a quite a lot of work of a one-off solution.
MindBender wrote:locomanjim wrote:Now that's uncrackable with out breaking the law! Because they can in bed there own micro code to read and wright and set the device that would be against the law to reset the microchip without steeling there software or know there checksum codes to hack the device!
That's an interesting point! Though I seriously doubt if there is any opcode in the chip. And if there is, I doubt if it is protected by law because no copyright was claimed. Even the presence of anything protect by law inside the chip isn't indicated anywhere. After all there's only a bunch of numbers inside the chip and numbers cannot be copyrighted (if they can, I hereby claim 1).locomanjim wrote:But yet I still see two sellers of reset devices on the internet. I also agree put reset devices in Petco or petsmart and give us a lower cost to refill the cartridges.
The first new 120 model cartridges have old model cartridge labels on them. That's what caused my confusion at the beginning of this thread and the cartridge on the picture above is one of those first ones. Now I have unwrapped the box of spare cartridges and those have clearly different labels, explicitely stating they are suitable for the CatGenie 120 model only. I hope this clears up a thing or two.Pelvis Popcan wrote:Wait a second... I'm confused. These cartridges are for the new CatGenie 120, correct? So how come the label on MindBender's picture says "60 washings?"
Is this new CatGenie that is being sold in the UK the new 120 model? Or is it a separate update to the existing model for UK sales only?
If that's true, it's still not a big deal. I'm a software engineer too and reshuffeling 4k of PIC assembler to make it my own code shouldn't be too hard. But I doubt if there's executable code inside it. I don't think a PIC16 controller is capable of loading executable code from an external source. And if it is, and PN they went through that much trouble, they probably would have used a controller with an integrated RFID reader instead of an external one that's relatively easy to mimick.2cats2dogs wrote:No copyright is needed to be shown to have it copyrighted. As a software engineer and author, simply publishing something brings be a copyright. That is in the latest copyright laws. All I need to do is place my name or company name on the works,
Exactly my point of posting it; All information is right there. Another PIC acting as an I2C slave, mimicking a reader with a full cartridge shouldn't be too difficult to make.2cats2dogs wrote:Now, on this RFI chip, code to read it is on the data sheet. It isn't rocket science.
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